tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post2832667732452975771..comments2023-10-19T22:49:15.517+01:00Comments on Ulster's Doomed!: Labour Force Survey Religion Report 2007Horsemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16655806346968204169noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-4822075255017709132009-10-03T19:17:30.401+00:002009-10-03T19:17:30.401+00:00> Ulster, it seems, is still doomed!
This pun...> Ulster, it seems, is still doomed! <br /><br />This punchline made me laugh. But, as someone else has noted, this line might exacerbate unionist neuroses even if it's intended to concentrate their minds and reassure nationalists. <br /><br />Wouldn't Ulster will be healed be a better line? Not so punchy, I know, but more optimistic and positive. After all, Ulster is 9 counties and not 6.<br /><br />It's not Ulster that's doomed, it's unionist supremacy -- assuming you are right.<br /><br />The 6 counties may be far enough behind the times in terms for your projections to come to pass, but the rate at which Catholocism is a declining feature of Irish life in the Republic is striking. A historian, Roy Foster, has written that the Republic has effectively become a Protestant country over the last 30 years. At first I was astonished by this but on reflection I realized that there was a lot in it. Perhaps this will make the idea of dissolving the border more acceptable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-39962430461204110272009-06-02T20:31:24.102+01:002009-06-02T20:31:24.102+01:00You are right, I should not be bothered!
MPG........You are right, I should not be bothered!<br /><br />MPG.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-29733551704676445562009-06-02T17:01:15.880+01:002009-06-02T17:01:15.880+01:00It's mostly older people who use Eire and they are...It's mostly older people who use Eire and they are biting at the grave so who cares! I take you point though I never use it myself it's like when they used to use Free State to describe the ROI that is just disrespectful and ignorant!hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-38136526511871791182009-06-02T15:19:20.198+01:002009-06-02T15:19:20.198+01:00No problem with use of Éire but.
When speaking in ...No problem with use of Éire but.<br />When speaking in English....<br />When speaking in Irish......<br />Some unionist types use Éire in an attempt to look down their noses at us. So I would be suspicious of those using the Irish version in an English language context!<br /><br />MPG.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-20091977501703476092009-06-02T14:54:49.016+01:002009-06-02T14:54:49.016+01:00Correct!
MPG.....Correct! <br /><br />MPG.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-3242824055010710332009-06-02T14:36:20.330+01:002009-06-02T14:36:20.330+01:0030 posts well done on roll on Thursday 4th June 20...30 posts well done on roll on Thursday 4th June 2009hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-36575104371571826872009-06-02T11:06:18.945+01:002009-06-02T11:06:18.945+01:00It also has Eire on the front cover of your Irish ...It also has Eire on the front cover of your Irish Passport Anonymous it's above the Harp and Ireland!hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-68525892592495870342009-06-02T01:53:32.241+01:002009-06-02T01:53:32.241+01:00Nobody said that it would be easy or painless.
Iri...Nobody said that it would be easy or painless.<br />Irish Free State was founded initially in the early 1920`s and I believe it was renamed in the 1937 constitution.<br />As I said Éire = Ireland--i ngaelige. <br />I can not speculate as to what would have happened in the scenario described above but I hope that the Irish government would have tried to integrate and not publicly alienate those unhappy within its borders.<br /><br />MY PASSPORTS' GREEN.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-67312488634145216262009-06-01T17:51:44.027+01:002009-06-01T17:51:44.027+01:00I'm just afraid that the Orangemen may cause Eire ...I'm just afraid that the Orangemen may cause Eire all sorts of problems. We may be better off without them. I think a lot of readers of this fine blog have the idea in their heads that in day (May 12?) year (2032?) when Catholics become 50% + one soul of the population Northern Ireland is going to magically dissolve into the Republic and all will be well. I fear that is a very dangerous oversimplification. Mind you, I would love to be proven wrong. But consider what if in the 1920's when Eire was created if one-third of the population was unionist minority (the mirror image of the situation in the north) how this would have affected and retarded the south's progress.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-46575768222109957772009-06-01T12:09:49.522+01:002009-06-01T12:09:49.522+01:00Anonymous,
Éire is a direct translation of the wo...Anonymous,<br /><br />Éire is a direct translation of the word Ireland and refers to the whole island. Éire is used by unionist types in an attempt to distinguish themselves or should I say "Norn Irn" from what they believe to be an inferior, foreign and never to be trusted country on the other side of their "cultural" border. Unfortunately for them this border although it exists on a map and is internationally recognized, is very difficult to find physically and does not affect the daily lives of those separated by it. It will be removed democratically within a generation. I wonder does intransigence in the Unionist community increase as you move further into the north or can you tell?<br />Anybody know?<br /><br />MY PASSPORTS' GREEN.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-19420772531795780062009-05-31T03:14:09.023+00:002009-05-31T03:14:09.023+00:00Thirty is better then twenty-six, just as twenty-s...Thirty is better then twenty-six, just as twenty-six was better then zero. You take your successes where and when you can find them. The Orangemen would be more trouble then they are worth to Eire. Anyways this is all just food for thought...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-84863351438091900412009-05-30T22:27:22.710+00:002009-05-30T22:27:22.710+00:00You right though Unionists can be given concession...You right though Unionists can be given concessions inside a United Ireland but zero none zilch outside one.hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-63693451613173146872009-05-30T22:24:34.071+00:002009-05-30T22:24:34.071+00:00I was only joking Anonymous of course I want all 3...I was only joking Anonymous of course I want all 32 Counties as well.Ireland free and unfettered.Four green fields a nation once again.hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-16340707897538746162009-05-30T22:01:37.217+00:002009-05-30T22:01:37.217+00:00Ireland is the whole island and not 26 or 30 count...Ireland is the whole island and not 26 or 30 counties. All 32.<br />REPARTITION is not and can never be accepted by any self respecting Irishman. When the time comes,50%+1, and the referendum vote is for reunification as provided for in the agreement, there will be no alternative. International agreements have been signed and the democratic high ground will be ours. The US, EU and the UN will support us. That is not to say that a charm offensive and certain concessions can not be put in place.<br />I believe nationalism can be magnanimous to a point as long as the holy grail can be grasped and secured for good. <br />Any talk of repartition should never be entertained---EVER! <br /><br />MY PASSPORTS'GREEN.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-67182376536627966552009-05-30T18:22:16.662+00:002009-05-30T18:22:16.662+00:00Nationalists in Derry have always complained of be...Nationalists in Derry have always complained of being treated as second class citizens.Here's your chance make Derry the Capital City of Nationalist Northern Ireland it could properly develop as a Port.And Derry already has strong links to the USA.hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-64975374345063010742009-05-30T18:13:32.286+00:002009-05-30T18:13:32.286+00:00Dr Kennedys book is called 2 Ulsters why not a nat...Dr Kennedys book is called 2 Ulsters why not a nationalist Ulster and a Unionist one?The only problem is who would the Orangemen have to upset in a 100 percent Protestant state. No Fenians to fight with they will start fighting with each other.If history is anything to go by look at the Ulster-scots they left for America to get away from the Church of Ireland not the Church of Rome!hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-31008040677854508072009-05-30T16:56:43.373+00:002009-05-30T16:56:43.373+00:00The way I see it Catholics have nothing to lose an...The way I see it Catholics have nothing to lose and can only gain from a partition of Northern Ireland. Every village, town, hamlet or county that is unified with the Republic is one less area where Catholic Irish have to live in a hostile and unnatural state.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-20445398957079043092009-05-30T14:49:00.851+00:002009-05-30T14:49:00.851+00:00Critchley was the Mp for Aldershot when he was tal...Critchley was the Mp for Aldershot when he was talking about this so not a neutral observer.He was also a wet tory who called Maggie the Great White She Elephant.But I think he was flying a kite for someone in Ted Heaths Government at the time.hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-68605085721069783652009-05-30T13:23:50.466+00:002009-05-30T13:23:50.466+00:00Crimes of Loyalty:A History of the UDA by Ian S Wo...Crimes of Loyalty:A History of the UDA by Ian S Wood also mentions the Doomsday plan.hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-59052723600306524062009-05-30T10:50:34.000+00:002009-05-30T10:50:34.000+00:00The UDA Document is based on a book written by Dr ...The UDA Document is based on a book written by Dr Liam Kennedy of Queen's University in 1986.He advocates Repartition of Ireland although he would not support violence to achieve it unlike the UDA.hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-46848860717581262662009-05-30T10:41:33.889+00:002009-05-30T10:41:33.889+00:00Maggie Thatcher revealed in 1998 when things when ...Maggie Thatcher revealed in 1998 when things when were not going well with the Anglo-Irish Agreement she considered some form of Repartition.hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-29957766894426680552009-05-30T10:27:57.218+00:002009-05-30T10:27:57.218+00:00The UDA plan was also published in the Sunday Inde...The UDA plan was also published in the Sunday Independent on the 16/01/1994.I found that on Repartition of Ireland page on wikipedia. Julian Critchley the Tory MP advocated it to the Bow Group in 1972.The British and Irish Governments have Doomsday Plans.The IRA had one captured with Brendan Hughes in 1974.hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-81810230867098476432009-05-30T07:54:56.242+00:002009-05-30T07:54:56.242+00:00The UDA DOOMSDAY PLAN appeared in the Sunday Life ...The UDA DOOMSDAY PLAN appeared in the Sunday Life newspaper.It was colour coded I remember green for nationalist orange for Unionist.I think it mentioned a scorched earth policy to areas it could not hold.Expelling the Catholics from all the Majority Unionist areas.I think it mentioned Internment camps of some sort though I do not know what form they would take.It was all very detailed and looked like it may have some offical help from an outside agency.Did Maggie Thatcher's government not look at something the same?hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-51818519691856081212009-05-30T04:41:43.074+00:002009-05-30T04:41:43.074+00:00Does anyone have any more info on this "doomsday p...Does anyone have any more info on this "doomsday plan"? A lot of the problems of Northern Ireland today would have been avoided if in the 1920's the Orangemen had been less greedy for territory - had they accepted a substantially smaller state. A lot more Catholics would today be living happily in the Republic and the Protestants would probably not be facing the current demographic crisis. Placing the boundary on a natural line, like the river Bann and Lough Neagh would also make a lot of sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-46478938039640538952009-05-29T21:23:33.940+00:002009-05-29T21:23:33.940+00:00I remember seeing some UDA maps leaked to a Sunday...I remember seeing some UDA maps leaked to a Sunday Newspaper I think they were going to concede the three western counties and fight like hell to hold Antrim and Down.That was the early 1990s a Doomsday Plan they called it.hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.com