tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post3158544961133302513..comments2023-10-19T22:49:15.517+01:00Comments on Ulster's Doomed!: A8 migration and its impactHorsemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16655806346968204169noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-31445036455262647112009-08-10T22:06:19.742+01:002009-08-10T22:06:19.742+01:00Anonymous said:
"You guys are making this s...Anonymous said: <br /><br />"You guys are making this situation seem a lot more complicated then it really is. First off, suggesting partition in idiotic, The nationalists did not leave the first time and most definitely will not leave now considering they are in sight of gaining a united Ireland.<br /><br />When the nationalists become the majority which is only a matter of time, the unionists will not get a say because they agreed to the Good Friday Agreement! If they really are that against a united Ireland, they can leave."<br /><br /><br />Are you going to make them? Or are you just another bar stool paddy working out which son to send round to the priest that night?Watchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-71455950042787907542009-08-10T22:01:51.106+01:002009-08-10T22:01:51.106+01:00Anonymous said:
"The Treaty following the w...Anonymous said: <br /><br />"The Treaty following the war of independence was imposed on the Irish delegation. The delegation felt that they had no choice other than total war to accept what the British were willing to offer. The agreement was no compromise but an imposition of what the British government felt it could allow in the context of the the day. At the time they were a world Imperial power albeit on the wane and Ireland was concidered in stratrgic terms in relation to defence (eg the treaty ports).Its effects were noticed quickly as people (within families and friends) took opposite sides on the issue. This lead to a dirty civil war whose legacy is still seen today in the politics of the South.<br /><br />This same scenario could and probably would repeat itself at least or mainly (but not confined to) in the North in the event of repartition. The sense of loss would be unbearable for the nationalist community on the island. How the Unionists would enjoy us implode.<br /><br />But, the situation today is a world away. The GF agreement is an international agreement between the British and Irish Governments. It carries weight in the US,EU and the UN etc and its provisions are set out. If and when we get a 50%+1 vote for reunification it will be a done deal. The British do not need a presence on Ireland for strategic reasons any more, they fret about vast amounts of money to maintain its presence, most of them dont see themselves in Imperialist terms anymore and public oppinion has for many years has been infavour of reunification of Ireland.<br /><br />Its a win/win situation, the British State will leave with its head held high for having finally done the right thing leaving its citizens to fend for themselves. The new shared State will be built on solid democratic foundations where the rights of all will be guarenteed from day one!<br /><br />MPG ....."<br /><br />You are definitely one of the stupidest posters I've ever come across on an Oirish blog and that's saying something. You have absolutely no idea about how the world goes round. <br /><br />The EU will protect us, The US will save us, Britain will reign in The Loyalists, Guardian readers will rise up, etc, etc, etc. <br /><br />Get back to your pint pot you wind bag...Watchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-47754981331870456162009-07-08T01:22:41.334+01:002009-07-08T01:22:41.334+01:00I am a Canadian born child of an Anglican (Souther...I am a Canadian born child of an Anglican (Southern) Irish priest and a British mother who came to this country as a girl. <br /><br />When I was young I was proud of my Irish background. Over the years I have watched the news and read the arguments of both sides and I can honestly say that the only pride I feel now about Ireland is my father's good sense to leave it. IRA loving Catholics, shriveled old banner- wearing marching freaks... I absolutely loath the lot of you. Is that racist of me? Well, moderation in all things - including extremism. Hate is in my blood I guess.<br /><br />Do you remember what was in the news just before 9-11? Somewhere on your emerald isle, Protestants were throwing rocks and the odd bomb at little children because they dared to put their Catholic feet on Protestant sidewalks on their way to school. And only a handful of years after 9-11 IRA version 2.0 is talking about getting back into terrorism because they are sick of the Muslims getting all the attention and having all the fun.<br /><br />What I am trying to say is that it doesn't matter whether the Unionist or Nationalists win or if some "compromise" is worked out. No amount of border redrawing or economic development will help. Become an agnostic, move away and forget the place. Or continue to rot in the Hell made by your own hands. But if your mischief spills out into the land sea and airlines of the real world I will be the first to be calling on any affected nation to carpet bomb you all without mercy.<br /><br />Cheerio MFs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-49154504633328954992009-06-27T17:38:29.166+01:002009-06-27T17:38:29.166+01:00You guys are making this situation seem a lot more...You guys are making this situation seem a lot more complicated then it really is. First off, suggesting partition in idiotic, The nationalists did not leave the first time and most definitely will not leave now considering they are in sight of gaining a united Ireland.<br /><br />When the nationalists become the majority which is only a matter of time, the unionists will not get a say because they agreed to the Good Friday Agreement! If they really are that against a united Ireland, they can leave.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-3873987383405273802009-06-21T15:12:56.720+01:002009-06-21T15:12:56.720+01:00Will the BNP have any impact in the North?
MPG ...Will the BNP have any impact in the North? <br /><br />MPG .....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-21393778075488065912009-06-21T14:10:42.564+01:002009-06-21T14:10:42.564+01:00Also have you seen some of the texts Henry McDonal...Also have you seen some of the texts Henry McDonald produced in the Observer newspaper.It seems for some people in Loyalist areas of Belfast ignorance is bliss.These people do not have clue!They go on about being British but worship Adolf Hitler.And I read that the BNP had now two offices in East Belfast.They call themselves loyalist combat 18.And that the BNP have set up a youth wing in Northern Ireland the mind boggles!hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-77134037226816987642009-06-21T13:34:03.501+01:002009-06-21T13:34:03.501+01:00I asked a question on June 16th above. The followi...I asked a question on June 16th above. The following seems to answer it. Its BBC.<br /><br />MPG .....<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Northern Ireland's dark side<br />Post categories: Ethics, Northern Ireland, Politics<br />William Crawley | 10:30 AM, Thursday, 18 June 2009<br />I've been listening to callers to radio shows using the term "foreigners" for two days now. "They don't belong here," we've been told. "They're taking our jobs," one caller said; "they're taking our benefits," said another. "They're taking our houses," yet more said. Apparently they are flooding in.<br /><br />None of this stands up to any rational analysis. First, the flood. The non-local population of Northern Ireland is estimated at about 1 per cent -- just 45,000 people. Yet Northern Ireland is averaging 20 racist attacks every week. 90 per cent of racist attacks are in Loyalist areas. Next, the benefits. In fact, immigrants are not entitled to them when they arrive, as some have suggested. Jobs? In order to get a work permit for a migrant worker, evidence has to be produced that the job has been advertised to the indigenous workforce first. Housing? Those decisions are taken by councils and housing agencies on the basis of need, rather than political or religious identity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-1331019065845785192009-06-21T11:52:57.349+01:002009-06-21T11:52:57.349+01:00Good for you My Passports Green!Good for you My Passports Green!hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-2466085877875761362009-06-19T11:46:27.501+01:002009-06-19T11:46:27.501+01:00Mack,
I agree. The situation in the 21st century ...Mack,<br /> I agree. The situation in the 21st century is a world away from 100 years ago. To give them their due, I do believe that any British Government, now and into the future, will have a sense of fair play in relation to its duties as agreed internationally. No Englishman of the home counties variety wants his name sullied by a pack of nasty individuals masquerading as loyal subjects of the crown and doing the best to hold up progress. I suspect that these people are an acute embarrassment to those that Govern together with those who aspire to in Britain.<br /><br />But then again who spawned them and allowed them to create the situation in the north as we see today. <br /><br />The Conservatives will in the short to medium term in Government come to the same conclusion as the Labour party. The Protestant state for the Protestant people has been consigned to history and nobody but nobody will support its reintroduction in the form of repartition. There people need to move on and integrate with their neighbors, within and without, to create a new and shared Ireland where everybody has an equal say in its Governance. <br /><br />I do not belong to any particular political party and partition politics did not figure in my upbringing.<br /><br />MPG .....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-5914398385835776602009-06-19T11:03:10.687+01:002009-06-19T11:03:10.687+01:00Anon -
There are two nations within the current ...Anon - <br /><br />There are two nations within the current territory of <i>Northern</i> Ireland. That's the core problem. There are many ways to solve it. E.g. There are also two nations that share Belgium and four that share Switzerland.<br /><br />Expelling the Irish nation from Northern Ireland is a non-runner. It be disastrous for the UK and it would be impossible while the UK remains in the EU (free movement of peoples). If the UK left the EU, she would be expelling EU citizens from their homes and violating their property rights. This would lead to the UK being shut out of European markets and possibly sanctions (to say nothing of repercussions in the US). In addition, in order to expel nationalists the UK would have to change it's own laws to enable them to void their property rights (otherwise the nationalists would simply take a class action against the British government). The effect of such an action (in addition to the threat of closed markets and sanctions) would make investors very nervous about investing in Britain. The UK would in effect be following in the footsteps of Robert Mugabe..Macknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-21947005587459452492009-06-19T07:52:14.489+01:002009-06-19T07:52:14.489+01:00Pedro
I am not GreenflagPedro<br /><br />I am not Greenflaghoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-15403753232746189422009-06-19T07:47:50.663+01:002009-06-19T07:47:50.663+01:00What if England declared independence from the UK ...What if England declared independence from the UK and the EU.It would have to stay in NATO otherwise the Americans would have a fit.That is if Scotland does not beat them to it.hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-25067820338135273502009-06-19T02:34:20.387+01:002009-06-19T02:34:20.387+01:00Is that you Greenflag?Is that you Greenflag?Pedronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-72028085412606014642009-06-18T22:31:02.464+01:002009-06-18T22:31:02.464+01:00And if Protestants and Catholics are so different ...And if Protestants and Catholics are so different how come so many mixed marriages in northern ireland?hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-47111874427257515802009-06-18T21:44:20.347+01:002009-06-18T21:44:20.347+01:00Anonymous Loyalists are Loyal to the English crown...Anonymous Loyalists are Loyal to the English crown what would happen if England became a Republic with a Parliament 100 percent elected by the people.Or if the King or Queen was a catholic or Muslim?Ian Paisley said he was loyal to the crown as long as it remains Protestant.So it is a conditional loyalty so not a real loyalty at all.hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-47227661327016952752009-06-18T21:25:52.423+01:002009-06-18T21:25:52.423+01:00there is one problem in your plan and it is what I...there is one problem in your plan and it is what I have been saying repeatedly there is two people on this island one the ulster protestants the other the irish catholics each differing from each other in culture, religion, and history and each constituting seperate nations on this island the problem is not the british government it is the ulster protestant people who will not alow themselves to be governed by a people who only want to destroy them and their way of live and absorb them in to a culture and way of life they do not feel a part of and never will. if it had not been for the ulster protestant people their would have been a united ireland years ago it is because of their resitance to being goverened and destroyed by the irish catholics that ireland had to be divided and it is why it needs to continue being divided so that there is a homeland for both the peoples of this island not just one of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-30780375698151910162009-06-18T20:59:55.620+01:002009-06-18T20:59:55.620+01:00My passports green which side did your family take...My passports green which side did your family take in the Civil War?hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-74844095337944123752009-06-18T20:45:46.230+01:002009-06-18T20:45:46.230+01:00Anonymous @ 19.37
The Treaty following the war of...Anonymous @ 19.37<br /><br />The Treaty following the war of independence was imposed on the Irish delegation. The delegation felt that they had no choice other than total war to accept what the British were willing to offer. The agreement was no compromise but an imposition of what the British government felt it could allow in the context of the the day. At the time they were a world Imperial power albeit on the wane and Ireland was concidered in stratrgic terms in relation to defence (eg the treaty ports).Its effects were noticed quickly as people (within families and friends) took opposite sides on the issue. This lead to a dirty civil war whose legacy is still seen today in the politics of the South.<br /><br />This same scenario could and probably would repeat itself at least or mainly (but not confined to) in the North in the event of repartition. The sense of loss would be unbearable for the nationalist community on the island. How the Unionists would enjoy us implode.<br /><br />But, the situation today is a world away. The GF agreement is an international agreement between the British and Irish Governments. It carries weight in the US,EU and the UN etc and its provisions are set out. If and when we get a 50%+1 vote for reunification it will be a done deal. The British do not need a presence on Ireland for strategic reasons any more, they fret about vast amounts of money to maintain its presence, most of them dont see themselves in Imperialist terms anymore and public oppinion has for many years has been infavour of reunification of Ireland.<br /><br />Its a win/win situation, the British State will leave with its head held high for having finally done the right thing leaving its citizens to fend for themselves. The new shared State will be built on solid democratic foundations where the rights of all will be guarenteed from day one!<br /><br />MPG .....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-87272728042541459232009-06-18T20:32:06.851+01:002009-06-18T20:32:06.851+01:00As long as military force or intimidation is not u...As long as military force or intimidation is not used as that is what causes real problems. I have no problem with your analysis.Peaceful change is what is needed I think both sides Planter and Gael have a lot to think about in the near future.hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-82250043795406452022009-06-18T20:23:41.623+01:002009-06-18T20:23:41.623+01:00yes it was however it was necessary the alternitiv...yes it was however it was necessary the alternitive would have been crippling civil war in both nations with both nations highly unstable with the two peoples engaged in a constant fight for superiority similar to that seen in northern ireland and yes there is tension between the two but a lot of that is due to the border dispute over kashmir. It is still favourable to what would have happened if the tranfers had not taken place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-24327931252444692352009-06-18T19:59:52.537+01:002009-06-18T19:59:52.537+01:00Anonymous
India's partition was not a painles...Anonymous<br /><br />India's partition was not a painless affair.It was brutal and nasty.The terrible things that happened effect relations between the Two Countries involved to this very day.We are talking about two nuclear powers with missiles pointed at each other.hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-79652785216804803442009-06-18T19:37:49.190+01:002009-06-18T19:37:49.190+01:00The compromise I am taking about it the one made b...The compromise I am taking about it the one made by the ulster protestants in 1920 when despite having a majorty in the entire provance of ulster they sacrficed the three counties of Donegal, Cavan and monaghan it order to facilitate the creation of two homelands on this island for each of the peoples of this island, not the anglo-irish treaty of 1921. Also with regard to your comment on population transfer it is no different from what happened in central and eastern europe after the second world war, or indeed to what happened after the partion of india in 1947 were millions of people were transfered. If implemented correctly it would finally see the existence of two stable states for the two distinct people of this island and finally let all of us on this island come to accept and respect eachothers idenity as well as live peasefully with out the fear of one people trying to destroy the other. otherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-31917291770635318212009-06-18T18:14:04.401+01:002009-06-18T18:14:04.401+01:00I'd also, politely, point out that the correct...I'd also, politely, point out that the correct term for what you are calling for is 'ethnic cleansing' and not 'repartition'. It is in fact a war crime.Macknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-13102009622957348842009-06-18T18:11:49.831+01:002009-06-18T18:11:49.831+01:00Actually the compromise in 1921 included a boundar...Actually the compromise in 1921 included a boundary commission that was to transfer significant portions of what is now Northern Ireland into the then Irish Free State. Had it done so, I bet a lot of heartache would have been avoided.<br /><br />Anonymous - repartition may yet turn out to be the only workable option - but it would have to be a fair repartition. The bulk of NI West and South of the Bann would be transferred to the Republic. Demographic trends in some Eastern parts of NI suggest they would also be transferred and a land bridge to the nationalist parts of Belfast would be required. <br /><br />Incidentally, strategically pursuing repartition wouldn't make sense for nationalists until current demographic trends have run their course or reversed.<br /><br />I've argued before that agreed independence may become an option as Catholic numbers increase, as fear of Protestant domination would subside.<br /><br />Also, both sides might find it easier (and less threatening) to vote for joint sovereingty in a referendum and then up the threshold for change.Macknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-46514005658364214602009-06-18T15:40:51.434+01:002009-06-18T15:40:51.434+01:00The article in the Sunday Life about the UDA Dooms...The article in the Sunday Life about the UDA Doomsday plan was written by Brian Rowan.hoboroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01474379737795624096noreply@blogger.com