tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post4992926845938652714..comments2023-10-19T22:49:15.517+01:00Comments on Ulster's Doomed!: 2008 Annual Report of the Registrar GeneralHorsemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16655806346968204169noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-31414331253314048182009-12-03T12:09:24.603+00:002009-12-03T12:09:24.603+00:00Unionists aren't interested in a United Irelan...Unionists aren't interested in a United Ireland and simply won't be joining one. End of.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-77977503895448636692009-12-03T09:52:30.391+00:002009-12-03T09:52:30.391+00:00Anonymous (03 December 2009 07:12),
In essence, y...<b>Anonymous</b> (03 December 2009 07:12),<br /><br />In essence, you are right. And it is not a good thing. I think the overwhelming majority of nationalists would prefer unionists to join a UI out of preference - but they will not (after all, they are 'unionists'). I think the evidence shows clearly enough that they would have as good, or better, a deal in a UI than in a UK, but they are motivated by emotion rather than economics (as indeed are nationalists, btw). Hence the necessity to fall back on simple 'outbreeding' - which is, of course, just another form of democracy, isn't it?<br /><br />Reconcilation would be nice, but it takes two to tango. And the -dancefloor seems quite empty at present!Horsemannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-75148910363185860022009-12-03T07:12:08.117+00:002009-12-03T07:12:08.117+00:00The problem as I see it is that the message here i...The problem as I see it is that the message here is that Unionists will eventually join Ireland not because it is better then being in Britain or because they will be better treated then in Britain but simply because the Catholic community has 'outbred' them (sorry for the crudeness). Is this reconciliation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-33563227607486237342009-12-02T17:28:10.560+00:002009-12-02T17:28:10.560+00:00FAO Nordie Northsider:
No "Unionist Outreach...FAO Nordie Northsider:<br /><br />No "Unionist Outreach" then mate? LOLWatchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-18506356949589144132009-12-02T12:10:05.962+00:002009-12-02T12:10:05.962+00:00Why does anyone respond to Andy, our resident cybe...Why does anyone respond to Andy, our resident cyber-nutter? Ignore him and he might just go away.Nordie Northsidernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-14605887583704671902009-12-02T11:03:21.026+00:002009-12-02T11:03:21.026+00:00Nationalism's lost mate. Or are you the only o...Nationalism's lost mate. Or are you the only one who hasn't noticed?Watchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-71483324212168318632009-12-02T10:52:57.806+00:002009-12-02T10:52:57.806+00:00Pathetic to see some unionist commentators resorti...Pathetic to see some unionist commentators resorting to racist abuse.<br /><br />No doubt they're celebrating wildly as they see the ball in the back of the net. Of course, what they fail to see is that they have just scored yet another own goal.<br /><br />Nationalism wins - again - without even breaking sweat.<br /><br /><br />- MunstermanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-20958595530076543032009-12-02T04:33:40.223+00:002009-12-02T04:33:40.223+00:00i live in the north, and of course watchers talkin...i live in the north, and of course watchers talking through is teeth, he's good craic though.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06567967149911966084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-36942352950097083242009-12-01T23:44:40.290+00:002009-12-01T23:44:40.290+00:00And everything on Google is obviously true.
Show ...And everything on Google is obviously true.<br /><br />Show us a link!<br /><br />Get a life or better still open your mind, Andy.<br /><br />MPG .....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-1608162349869913562009-12-01T22:50:15.202+00:002009-12-01T22:50:15.202+00:00Google usually works Mr Immigrant...Google usually works Mr Immigrant...Watchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-78904975429839396582009-12-01T22:19:03.167+00:002009-12-01T22:19:03.167+00:00OK "Watcher"
Please reference?OK "Watcher"<br />Please reference?bangordubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11143383902510299554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-87715529986471931012009-12-01T20:58:05.408+00:002009-12-01T20:58:05.408+00:00Wiz - what a giggle you are! A true Irishman (LOL)...Wiz - what a giggle you are! A true Irishman (LOL). <br /><br />There are plenty of Catholics who don't vote, who oppose Irish Unity, and would do so at any border poll. <br /><br />Why don't you search the net thicko, there's plenty of opinion poll data there, that even a thick mick could interpret.Watchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-74848990881710112212009-12-01T19:55:05.638+00:002009-12-01T19:55:05.638+00:00Let Watcher believe the nonsense that there are th...Let Watcher believe the nonsense that there are thousands of Nationalist who vote for Nationalist/Republican parties but are secretly pro-union. It helps him sleep at night. I'm from the North and never met one myself, they all must live under ground or somewhere.<br /><br />WizAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-24117119875025500262009-12-01T16:29:32.743+00:002009-12-01T16:29:32.743+00:00In my experience I havent met a single catholic wh...In my experience I havent met a single catholic who is pro union (With Britain), On the other hand I have numerous protestant friends who, recognising the inevatibility of reunification, are both positive and enthusiastic about the real union.<br />But then of course, I only live here, what would I know?bangordubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11143383902510299554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-43220493497947596842009-12-01T14:29:33.327+00:002009-12-01T14:29:33.327+00:00Shouldn't all these marriage, birth and death ...Shouldn't all these marriage, birth and death figures be based upon Nationalist/Unionist not Catholic/Protestant figures, given how many Catholics now oppose Irish Unity?Watchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-56848199308006761812009-12-01T14:27:26.788+00:002009-12-01T14:27:26.788+00:00Apparently 60% of The Republic's citizens stil...Apparently 60% of The Republic's citizens still attend mass and I doubt they are doing it for the organ music. Perhaps Horseman can tell us when he expects church attendance in The Republic to approach UK/European levels? Any demographics or graphs available?Watchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-81491427030231278342009-12-01T12:52:25.042+00:002009-12-01T12:52:25.042+00:00Roy Foster has written that the Republic quietly b...Roy Foster has written that the Republic quietly became a protestant society over the last 30 years. It seemed a bit of an exaggeration at first, but indeed, the more one thought about, the more there was to it. Now, after the latest scandals involving clerical abuse of children, this thesis will be further vindicated.<br /><br />A very visible further separation of church and state (the ROI has no established church, unlike the UK, no bishops in the upper house and no religious bigotry enshrined in law as regards the religion of the head of state) can surely only be good for reconciliation on the island as a whole.<br /><br />A small silver lining perhaps.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-79736334848844702522009-12-01T12:03:07.135+00:002009-12-01T12:03:07.135+00:00bangordub,
I agree - the stats get more and more ...<b>bangordub</b>,<br /><br />I agree - the stats get more and more difficult to interpret as time passes. Firstly the base data (from the 2001 census) is getting very long in the tooth, and migration will have made a lot of it inaccurate. Secondly, the civil marriages cannot be decyphered easily. A lot of them include at least one Catholic, but many others are older divorcees (or either, both, or no religion), or younger post-christians. Only when they start having kids will it become a bit clearer - but even then we'll have the problem of the 'none/not recorded' in the schools census.<br /><br />And if parents aren't even married - 57% in Belfast - how can we ever find out who they are?<br /><br />Ultimately, only elections really count, and I'm really getting itchy with anticipation - its been over two years since the last Assembly election (the EP was fun, but not entirely representative due to low turnout). The next 18 months (and 3 elections) will bring a wealth of data and trends to look at. When the dust settles after them we may have some new realities to consider.Horsemannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-45634605389598539172009-12-01T11:36:13.799+00:002009-12-01T11:36:13.799+00:00Horseman,
Your graph on the percentages of marriag...Horseman,<br />Your graph on the percentages of marriages by denomination is interesting but if taken together with the wider demographic information available, I would argue that a large percentage of civil marriages must include nationalist voters.(In fairness you aknowledge this)<br />Also, you link the marriages directly the likely birth rates in the future.<br />As the link below shows that is an increasingly tenuous position. <br /><br />http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/57-of-belfastrsquos-children-born-out-of-marriage-14581645.html<br /><br />No easy answers ! <br />But good post anyway<br />Keep up the good workbangordubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11143383902510299554noreply@blogger.com