tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post5196608326342465995..comments2023-10-19T22:49:15.517+01:00Comments on Ulster's Doomed!: The perils of dependencyHorsemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16655806346968204169noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-40899012505268267082009-08-10T18:28:21.816+01:002009-08-10T18:28:21.816+01:00Anonymous said:
"Congratulations on being E...Anonymous said: <br /><br />"Congratulations on being English, thanks for the information. I`m not a mind reader and neither are you. Being a foreigner, keep your nose out of Irish affairs. "<br /><br />That's a laugh! The English are part of the same state as The Northern Irish, have fought across the world with them, sit in the same parliament with them, were blitzed with them and have every right to comment on what happens there unlike the ACTUAL foreigners from The Irish Republic. There's some real retards on this blog...Watchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-59539408805940725822009-08-10T18:22:49.457+01:002009-08-10T18:22:49.457+01:00Anonymous said:
"'Ireland was indeed ne...Anonymous said: <br /><br />"'Ireland was indeed never an independent united country in history' <br /><br />You talk some nonsense. Wasn't Brian Boru the first king of a united Ireland?<br /><br />Ireland's nationhood has always existed. Again, unionism is a consequence of colonialism. Its end is near. Only a majority in 2 counties of the 9 of Ulster. Ulster is British eh don't make me laugh."<br /><br />Then why don't you take back your land glory boy? Or are you like all Irish 'men', severely lacking in male equipment?Watchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-85251254122461794572009-08-10T18:19:09.945+01:002009-08-10T18:19:09.945+01:00Hoboroad said:
"I see there is a programme ...Hoboroad said: <br /><br />"I see there is a programme on Channel 5 tonight at 8.00pm called Britain's Nazi King Revealed about Edward VIII should make for interesting viewing. The Documentary features newly released FBI files showing Edward was not trusted by the British or American Governments for his Pro-Nazi views"<br /><br />Should be of interest to Irish Republicans considering they aligned themselves with The Nazis.Watchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-77750351537919844202009-08-10T18:15:51.662+01:002009-08-10T18:15:51.662+01:00Hoboroad said:
"Another well Researched pos...Hoboroad said: <br /><br />"Another well Researched post Horseman keep up the good work. If the Tories win the next General Election there are bound to be massive cuts in public spending and the axe will swing down on the North. And if Salmon keeps his promise for a Referendum on Scottish Independence by 2010 we could be looking at a whole new ball game. Nationalism always does well in times of economic unrest and lack of stability."<br /><br />Ye, and The ROI has bags of cash to spend subsidising Catholics in Ulster to the standards they've become used to - giggle. <br /><br />Nationalism always does well in times of economic unrest? That would explain the million who voted for The BNP at the last Euro elections and the millions more who voted UKIP. I wonder what would happen to Irish Nationalists if those types got in power? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.Watchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-45701235702974162862009-07-24T18:50:17.853+01:002009-07-24T18:50:17.853+01:00Ha,
Don't make me laugh!
You just belong in ...Ha,<br /><br />Don't make me laugh!<br /><br />You just belong in the 18th century. Stay there, nobody cares!<br /><br />MPG .....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-2184576732488040612009-07-23T17:05:43.747+01:002009-07-23T17:05:43.747+01:00'Well, there is no answer to that! Is there?&#...'Well, there is no answer to that! Is there?'<br /><br />So that's two answers you can't make adequately.<br /><br />1. How is Northern Ireland constitutionally defined as a 'colony'?<br /><br />2. How come Paddies do neither intellect nor irony? <br /><br />'Perhaps a visit to your mental health specialist might be of benefit to you and help you iron out a few issues which are doing your head in.'<br /><br />When in desperation, bring in your opponent's mental capacity.<br /><br />'Your superiority complex and views of the Irish are extremely negative and do not warrant further comment from me.'<br /><br />If only that last sentence were true. Alas, it looks like I'll be knocking you down for some time to come on this thread.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-27476405276693143552009-07-23T10:39:44.799+01:002009-07-23T10:39:44.799+01:00Well, there is no answer to that! Is there?
Excep...Well, there is no answer to that! Is there?<br /><br />Except, how many Paddies are known the world over for their writing skills? (many protestant/nationalist).<br /><br />Perhaps a visit to your mental health specialist might be of benefit to you and help you iron out a few issues which are doing your head in. <br /><br />Your superiority complex and views of the Irish are extremely negative and do not warrant further comment from me.<br /><br />Go away and get help, these island will be the better for it if you do.<br /><br />Slán,<br /><br />MPG .....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-34867034054820544152009-07-22T17:14:19.399+01:002009-07-22T17:14:19.399+01:00'Being a foreigner, keep your nose out of Iris...'Being a foreigner, keep your nose out of Irish affairs. Your opinions are not wanted, even my northern Protestant fellow country men keep you at a distance.'<br /><br />I'm British and I'll comment on British affairs. Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom and I support that position wholeheartedly. Perhaps you'd like to advise foreigners in Boston or New York to keep their noses out of UK affairs?<br /><br />'Oh, I forgot, a Catholic can not become the king or queen of England.'<br /><br />You forget much and remember nothing. A Catholic cannot become Monarch in any of the 17 or so territories where the Queen is Head of State. Perhaps you'd like to comment on them, rather than choosing just one of the four regions that make up the United Kingdom. <br /><br />'Unfortunatly, I was not born a hermafrodite..'<br /><br />But you were, if we use Horseman's definition, born an Irish nationalist, which in infinitely worse. <br /><br />'...so I find it impossible to do that to myself. Perhaps you can and you might enlighten us with your experiences here but then again, Horseman might object. I say you could make your fortune on stage in Soho or Shoreditch and become famous or infamous the world over. I reckon you are brilliant at it at this stage, with so much practice under your belt.'<br /><br />Followed by... <br /><br />'Can you not contribute without abusing others?'<br /><br />So Paddies do neither irony nor intellect!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-48895984019011272002009-07-22T12:50:35.846+01:002009-07-22T12:50:35.846+01:00http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algeriahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlgeriaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-39896470023737720632009-07-22T10:55:47.403+01:002009-07-22T10:55:47.403+01:00Congratulations on being English, thanks for the i...Congratulations on being English, thanks for the information. I`m not a mind reader and neither are you. Being a foreigner, keep your nose out of Irish affairs. Your opinions are not wanted, even my northern Protestant fellow country men keep you at a distance. Its not you they want, its your money and your monarch (as long as he/she does not become a Catholic or marry one).Oh, I forgot, a Catholic can not become the king or queen of England. I wonder why? Is it the last remnants of Bigotry in England? I wonder does this anomaly break EU discrinination laws?<br /> Perhaps you know since seem to be well versed in all thing lawful and also some things not so.<br /><br />Unfortunatly, I was not born a hermafrodite so I find it impossible to do that to myself. Perhaps you can and you might enlighten us with your experiences here but then again, Horseman might object. I say you could make your fortune on stage in Soho or Shoreditch and become famous or infamous the world over. I reckon you are brilliant at it at this stage, with so much practice under your belt. <br /><br />Can you not contribute without abusing others? <br /><br />MPG .....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-85418198919020620502009-07-21T21:32:37.105+01:002009-07-21T21:32:37.105+01:00'It must really hurt to be called "Paddy&...'It must really hurt to be called "Paddy" in your homeland.'<br /><br />(LOL) I am English as well as British, idiot!!<br /><br />'Your threats are hollow.'<br /><br />As is your intellect. I don't make hollow threats.<br /><br />'The diatribe emanating from you is getting decidedly hot and as I said earlier, it is a dish best served cold.'<br /><br />The diatribe from you has never been hot and is a dish best consigned to the dustbin. <br /><br />T?igh trasna ort f?inAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-52911794210067357622009-07-20T22:21:30.208+01:002009-07-20T22:21:30.208+01:00Get a life, weirdo. Your threats are hollow. It mu...Get a life, weirdo. Your threats are hollow. It must really hurt to be called "Paddy" in your homeland. The diatribe emanating from you is getting decidedly hot and as I said earlier, it is a dish best served cold.<br /><br />As for the exchange, consider it finished.<br /><br />Slán leat<br /><br /> <br />MPG .....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-18340553529314056142009-07-20T21:36:32.034+01:002009-07-20T21:36:32.034+01:00Don't provoke if you're not man enough to ...Don't provoke if you're not man enough to take it in return.<br /><br />The fact remains that I am implacably opposed to the idea of an all-Ireland republic and would indeed support any Unionists who would not be prepared to simply roll over and take lessons in democracy from Irish republicanism, when the latter did not abide by democracy for so many years.<br /><br />If you think that by not living in Northern Ireland such support would be impossible, I'll take my lessons from the pub patrons of Boston, Massachusetts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-5775835178532355232009-07-20T18:46:36.604+01:002009-07-20T18:46:36.604+01:00Now, Andy, thats not very nice!
MPG .....Now, Andy, thats not very nice!<br /><br />MPG .....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-70792759422919836282009-07-20T12:19:51.812+01:002009-07-20T12:19:51.812+01:00'A subject territory occupied by a settlement ...'A subject territory occupied by a settlement from the ruling state, a community of people who form a national, racial or cultural minority.'<br /><br />Yes, but the Province is not 'occupied' territory. It is part and parcel of the UK and its people are British citizens. It sends its political representatives to sit in parliament. So it's neither a 'colony', nor is it 'occupied'.<br /><br />So thanks for spectacularly failing to justify your descriptions. As for not living here, I too live in the UK.<br /><br />And as for the Paras, they didn't leave before putting you republican **ck pigs in your place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-50240376542273918492009-07-19T20:06:15.540+01:002009-07-19T20:06:15.540+01:00Oh, one more thing. The parachute regiment are gon...Oh, one more thing. The parachute regiment are gone (good riddance), never to return so it seems that they were NOT ready for everything after all. The RAF will be following soon.<br /><br />MPG .....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-34593627854292758732009-07-19T19:58:54.542+01:002009-07-19T19:58:54.542+01:00I will now also choose the reference which best su...I will now also choose the reference which best suits MY position.<br />"Colony - A subject territory occupied by a settlement from the ruling state, a community of people who form a national, racial or cultural minority.<br />Collins English Dictionary."<br />If you do not like the Collins definition, take it up with them.<br /><br />Diatribe is a dish best served cold as I`m certain you know judging by the hot headed rubbish and thinly veiled threats you issue here on a regular basis. <br /><br />Brian Ború was indeed said to be the last High King who rid Ireland of the Danes. The Irish have never accepted the legitimacy of English rule in Ireland, that is why we have had strife and war in our country until the end of the last century. The English tried to subjugate us and failed and the last vestige of this is the shrinking Unionist population in the 6 counties(I was going to include your good self in this but you do not even live here). The process of decolonisation is a work in progress and as described here is continuing at a pace unconfortable to your good self. If I was you and had your opinions, I would stay in Britain but then again they probably call you "Paddy" over there. Imagine that, it must be terrible to be associated with us but then again you can not deny your fate.<br /> <br /> <br />Once a colony always a colony until of course events overtake the situation. This is exactly what this blog is about so if you do not like it, lump it. <br /><br />Now go away and get a life.<br /><br />MPG .....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-4324783457621830042009-07-19T16:22:55.979+01:002009-07-19T16:22:55.979+01:00BTW, unless you're prepared to answer the dire...BTW, unless you're prepared to answer the direct question I posed above instead of resorting to silly history lessons, I see no point in continuing the argument.<br /><br />A straight answer to a straight question: 'How is Northern Ireland constitutionally a 'colony'?'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-2759381473109109012009-07-19T15:28:23.094+01:002009-07-19T15:28:23.094+01:00'Ireland was a colony and the 6 counties conti...'Ireland was a colony and the 6 counties continue to be in the near future. Ach tiochfaidh ár Lá.'<br /><br />The best response from that whole diatribe that really sums up what you are.<br /><br />You failed to bring up any evidence to suggest a united Irish nation other than Brian Boru, and all the evidence suggests he was originally the King of Munster, and later became High King of the island only through a process of conquer and subjugation. Lovely example of a so-called harmonious all-Ireland valhalla (LOL).<br /><br />You are not a constitutional lawyer. Yet one doesn't have to be to refute the notion that Northern Ireland is a 'colony'. Colonies don't send political representatives to sit in the sovereign parliament of the colonial state, only territories that are part and parcel of that same state follow this practice.<br /><br />'Croppies don't lie down any more but I`m sure you have noticed that.'<br /><br />Yawn.<br /><br />Anyway back to the central thrust of the argument. How is Northern Ireland 'occupied' and how is it classed as a 'colony' in British, EU or international law?<br /><br />Utrinque Paratus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-3895477140936220612009-07-19T15:09:35.625+01:002009-07-19T15:09:35.625+01:00Andy,
1. Statement of fact, look it up.
2. What ...Andy,<br /><br />1. Statement of fact, look it up.<br /><br />2. What evidence. The English took the land in Ulster by force and cleared the local populace to the benefit of the planter and thus securing Ireland as a colony. When push came to shove, the English allowed the minority to have its way to the detriment of the vast majority and create a statelet containing a significant Unionist majority with the biggest land grab possible. Prior to 1801 the Kingdom of Ireland did exist as an entity as an English colony and had its own parliament. The representatives in that parliament were Irish of planter stock and were hoodwinked into agreeing to the act of union, creating the UK of GB and I. The vast majority, the native Catholic population, were disenfranchised (the Penal laws) and had no say in the matter so the legitimacy of this Union is false. In 1798 the Presbiterians of Ulster, also discriminated against, joined the native Irish in rebellion against England (having been influenced by the French and American revolutions). The statelet created in the north of Ireland is a continuation of this process, in which the native and adopted Irish had no say in its imposition as a condition to the end to the war of independence with imperialist Britain.<br /><br />3. Using Wikipedia as a secondary quote is the lazy way to do it I`m sure but the message is still the same. Ireland was a colony and the 6 counties continue to be in the near future. Ach tiochfaidh ár Lá.<br /><br />4. You continue to speculate that Ireland was never a nation state! This is probably true in the context of your jaundiced version of history because you are obviously the descendant of a colonist and fail to acknowledge the volumes of history written confirming this fact. Open your mind, read the books, take in the available information and see the light. Ireland has been a political entity in the past and will be again in the near future. <br /><br />5."propaganda lessons at the Felons Club"<br />The days when a statement like this can be made are long gone, mate. You and your ilk have not yet landed in the 21st century. Irish Nationalism has as much a right to existence as unionism and your logic in equating nationalism with felony is some thing out of the 18th century and is despicable. I remember your quote about a river in Egypt and the saying "look in before you look out" comes to mind when it comes to discussing elements of your "culture"(e.g. the orange order). How many felons were at Drumcree? You are right, all our times will pass eventually and Unionism will be remembered as a particularly nasty footnote in the history of Ireland. <br /><br />"when you write emotionally-loaded crap"<br />I would say that just about sums up your responses to the various subjects raised on this blog but at least you are consistant.<br /><br />6."So, define legally and constitutionally, how NI is 'occupied' and a 'colony' in the 21st Century,"<br />I wish I was a constitutional lawyer.... but there are history books out there (too many to mention) so my advice to you is read them and smell the roses. You might be enlightened but I doubt it.<br /><br />Croppies don't lie down any more but I`m sure you have noticed that. It must be hard to have to listen to opinions which are diametrically opposed to your own but then democracy has its price and Unionists are democrats, are they not?<br /><br />And of course you failed to answer my question in my last response.<br /><br />MPG .....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-29468648334255433222009-07-19T15:03:53.891+01:002009-07-19T15:03:53.891+01:00'Ireland was indeed never an independent unite...'Ireland was indeed never an independent united country in history' <br /><br />You talk some nonsense. Wasn't Brian Boru the first king of a united Ireland?<br /><br />Ireland's nationhood has always existed. Again, unionism is a consequence of colonialism. Its end is near. Only a majority in 2 counties of the 9 of Ulster. Ulster is British eh don't make me laugh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-44529605398575343622009-07-19T07:26:19.321+01:002009-07-19T07:26:19.321+01:00'A subject territory occupied by a settlement ...'A subject territory occupied by a settlement from the ruling state, a community of people who form a national, racial or cultural minority.'<br /><br />Firstly, can you define how Northern Ireland is 'occupied' given that it is an integral part of the United Kingdom in domestic and international law?<br /><br />Secondly, can you define how Northern Ireland governance makes it a 'colony' given the evidence I've already presented?<br /><br />Using Wikipedia as a reference for anything smacks of desperation (a bit like international tours on Irish unity, eh!)<br /><br />Ireland was indeed never an independent united country in history so the historical basis for Irish nationalism is not something that has existed, but something that has yet to be created.<br /><br />'...in the not very distant future Unionism will be consigned to the history books.'<br /><br />Oh dear, propaganda lessons at the Felons Club again. Unionism and the Union will be around long after both you, I and Horseman have gone. I hope you realise how childish you appear when you write emotionally-loaded crap like the end of your last paragraph.<br /><br />So, define legally and constitutionally, how NI is 'occupied' and a 'colony' in the 21st Century, or try keeping quiet for a while.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-49771983420332848782009-07-18T21:02:31.506+01:002009-07-18T21:02:31.506+01:00Andy,
Good to see you are keeping in touch.
&quo...Andy,<br /><br />Good to see you are keeping in touch.<br /><br />"Colony - A region politically controlled by a distant country.'<br />OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY"<br /><br />I will now also choose the reference which best suits MY position.<br />"Colony - A subject territory occupied by a settlement from the ruling state, a community of people who form a national, racial or cultural minority.<br />Collins English Dictionary."<br /><br />"England had been engaged in colonial settlement in Ireland, drawing on precedents dating back to the Norman invasion in 1171. The 16th-century Plantations of Ireland, run by English colonists,<br />Wikipedia, The British Empire.<br /><br />You, my friend, are the last vestige of the Irish colony.<br /> <br /><br />As I said earlier, Ireland was not a politically unified state in history but was unified in the Gaelic world with much of Scotland, the Isle of Mann and the rest of the Celtic world. It had its own system of government, legal system and religion (Celtic Christianity, which it exported to Europe on a large scale and produced many fine pieces of artwork which still exist). The fact that it did not independantly exist, in terms of the modern meaning of the nation state, in history is no argument as to why it could or would not exist as such in the near future. Greece, Italy and Germany are all ancient peoples who only formed nation states by the union of smaller independent entities. Germany and Italy becoming nation states in the last few hundred years. <br /><br />Dál Riada was indeed a Gaelic kingdom which straddled Ireland and Scotland but was shared by the same like minded peoples who shares the same roots, language etc. There has always been movements of peoples in these islands which continues to this day. You say that the Celts displaced the previous populations by force, please enlighten us with proof. On the other hand, the various English plantations over the centuries had one object in mind. Starting with the Pale and culminating with the plantation of Ulster, the English tried to establish a compliant colony in Ireland. The O`Neills of Ulster were the last vestiges of the old Ireland and open rebellion, thus sealing the fate of Ulster and Ireland to what we see politically in our nation to this day. All the plantations bar one were dismal and total failures, because these people integrated with the locals and became Irish in time. Time is running out on the one exception and in the not very distant future Unionism will be consigned to the history books but the protestant legacy will remain and will be reflected in the new rejuvenated and confident Nation to reemerge without the shackles of the English monarchy to weigh it down.<br /><br />MPG .....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-88054227361919617152009-07-18T17:05:07.203+01:002009-07-18T17:05:07.203+01:00Of course there was displacement of people by the ...Of course there was displacement of people by the Celts. It represented the single biggest migration in the island's history.<br /><br />I'm still waiting for someone to define how NI is a 'colony'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-52290850464875832382009-07-17T20:15:55.674+01:002009-07-17T20:15:55.674+01:00Anon (Andrew) -
I don't think there is any e...Anon (Andrew) - <br /><br />I don't think there is any evidence of a displacement of native peoples by Celts. Celtic culture arrived by trade and inter-marriage not war.Macknoreply@blogger.com