tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post5349025029760300591..comments2023-10-19T22:49:15.517+01:00Comments on Ulster's Doomed!: Religious FreedomHorsemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16655806346968204169noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-25182734519244677262010-01-06T01:24:18.423+00:002010-01-06T01:24:18.423+00:00Yes, loads of them! not, how many fingers do you h...Yes, loads of them! not, how many fingers do you have?---Grow up, get a life and smell the roses. The futures green, democratic and inclusive.<br /><br /><br />MPG .....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-79639866319651405732010-01-05T15:10:30.586+00:002010-01-05T15:10:30.586+00:00Anonymous said:
"What I find curious is that...Anonymous said:<br /><br />"What I find curious is that there are Protestants all around the world, but the Orange order is only in N.I. (to my knowledge). This is very telling."<br /><br />Oh no! Own goal of the century! There are Orange Lodges in many countries - try Google! There are plenty of black people in The Orange, even in places like Liverpool. There are even Canadian Native American members...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-848957439004987712010-01-05T10:41:43.496+00:002010-01-05T10:41:43.496+00:00NNN wrote: 'Next time bring up the shortcoming...NNN wrote: 'Next time bring up the shortcomings of The RC Church, or Irish Nationalism first - it is you with a proposal to sell, not me.'<br /><br />I always think it's a good idea to write posts about the matter in hand. I have written other posts on this blog critical of anti-Protestant sectarianism - when that was the subject under discussion. I know that there are some, Eoghan Harris et al, who maintain that Nationalists are duty-bound to criticise their 'tribe' only. I disagree, because to do so is to let Unionism off the hook. <br />But can I add something to the appeal by 'Anonymous' for less personal invective in these posts: not only should we avoid name-calling (are you really proud of calling me 'green slime', for instance?) but we should take each others' posts at face value. When I say that I deplore anti-Protestant sectarianism I wonder what gives you the right to characterise my views as 'wonderful words' or 'tactics'? As one who grew up in a mostly Protestant town, and as the product of a mixed marriage, I assure you that my position on this is sincerely held. Public discourse would improve massively if people stopped ascribing motives to each other e.g. if one makes the slightest criticism of Israel one is anti-Semitic, any doubt about American foreign policy springs from hatred of the USA etc. The truth is that one can disagree profoundly with partition without hating or disrespecting Protestants or individual Unionists.Nordie Northsidernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-83642325692932100532010-01-05T04:42:24.009+00:002010-01-05T04:42:24.009+00:00An appeal:
Can we please have less vulgarity and ...An appeal:<br /><br />Can we please have less vulgarity and name-calling and general ignorant, inapropriate comments on this blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-79864694933627885382010-01-05T04:38:20.289+00:002010-01-05T04:38:20.289+00:00What I find curious is that there are Protestants ...What I find curious is that there are Protestants all around the world, but the Orange order is only in N.I. (to my knowledge). This is very telling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-74654697829041535072010-01-04T22:51:03.081+00:002010-01-04T22:51:03.081+00:00Compliment, as in an expression of praise, is spel...Compliment, as in an expression of praise, is spelled with an i. A complement is something that goes with something else.<br /><br />One can't compliment many graduates of the British educational system on their spelling, alas. <br /><br />> you were caught using a clear racial slur<br /><br />That is entirely debatable, as I pointed out. At best the word is out of fashion, possibly archaic, though less so than the PC would like to pretend. Your record of non-debatable and contemptible slurs here gives you no entitlement to make any such pronouncements.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-20413827868563318862010-01-04T20:01:54.859+00:002010-01-04T20:01:54.859+00:00Nordie Northsider said:
"I'm not sure t...Nordie Northsider said: <br /><br />"I'm not sure that there's any point replying to 'Not Nordie Northsider'. For what it's worth I know about the 'Ne Temere' decree and the role of the Catholic church in the matter of mixed marriage. I deplore it, just as I deplore the bigotry of the loyal orders. I pity any couple who had the misfortune to come up against either or both of these negative, reactionary infulences on Irish life. If I didn't say so in my post it's because (1) one can't qualify every statement one makes and (2) I thought it deprive you of a pretext to write some hate mail. But feel free to keep on spitting poison - it's better out than in."<br /><br />Wonderful words NN, but as always, too little, too late. You exhibit all the tactical nous of the typical Irish Nationalist (THAT IS NOT A COMPLEMENT). Next time bring up the shortcomings of The RC Church, or Irish Nationalism first - it is you with a proposal to sell, not me. <br /><br />Or are you like most of The Irish - just a dreamer?NNNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-12782094341381951482010-01-04T19:57:12.720+00:002010-01-04T19:57:12.720+00:00Anonymous said:
"Your response to disagreeab...Anonymous said:<br /><br />"Your response to disagreeable fact is, as always, abuse and illiteracy.<br /><br />The expression is "piss off", that's with two fs, and the last word is spelled bigot, with one t."<br /><br />Look, you were caught out using a clear racial slur. Take it on the chin, clean up your language and move on...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-70981206509106512992010-01-04T19:54:45.883+00:002010-01-04T19:54:45.883+00:00Anonymous said:
" "And, no, the Catholi...Anonymous said:<br /><br />" "And, no, the Catholic church didn't write the constitution. That is something you pulled out of your ass."<br /><br />I'm more concerned about what Catholic churchmen push into other people's asses...<br /><br />First you simply invent a slur, that the Catholic church wrote the constitution, when challenged you revert to your usual obsessions." <br /><br />Nice dog, but wrong hare. It was someone else who brought up The Republic's constitution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-72087651609760508172010-01-04T18:54:27.171+00:002010-01-04T18:54:27.171+00:00I'm not sure that there's any point replyi...I'm not sure that there's any point replying to 'Not Nordie Northsider'. For what it's worth I know about the 'Ne Temere' decree and the role of the Catholic church in the matter of mixed marriage. I deplore it, just as I deplore the bigotry of the loyal orders. I pity any couple who had the misfortune to come up against either or both of these negative, reactionary infulences on Irish life. If I didn't say so in my post it's because (1) one can't qualify every statement one makes and (2) I thought it deprive you of a pretext to write some hate mail. But feel free to keep on spitting poison - it's better out than in.Nordie Northsidernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-16157015417205459512010-01-04T18:47:05.746+00:002010-01-04T18:47:05.746+00:00> Piss of you bigott.
Your response to disagre...> Piss of you bigott.<br /><br />Your response to disagreeable fact is, as always, abuse and illiteracy.<br /><br />The expression is "piss off", that's with two fs, and the last word is spelled bigot, with one t.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-18346621920218379972010-01-04T18:44:19.779+00:002010-01-04T18:44:19.779+00:00> "And, no, the Catholic church didn't...> "And, no, the Catholic church didn't write the constitution. That is something you pulled out of your ass."<br /><br />I'm more concerned about what Catholic churchmen push into other people's asses...<br /><br />First you simply invent a slur, that the Catholic church wrote the constitution, when challenged you revert to your usual obsessions. <br /><br />Did you have too much or too little punishment during your toilet training?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-70212540550772807622010-01-04T18:33:28.970+00:002010-01-04T18:33:28.970+00:00Piss of you bigott.Piss of you bigott.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-84171850959526003872010-01-04T18:32:07.055+00:002010-01-04T18:32:07.055+00:00> A 'negro'? What century are you livin...> A 'negro'? What century are you living in pal? Black people haven't referred to themselves in America as 'negros' for decades now!<br /><br />If the word was good enough for Martin Luther King it's good enough for me sunshine. I lived in America in the 80s and the word, as well as the derogatory variant, was entirely current. It's possible that the word 'negro' has fallen out of favour since, but a Google advanced search on US web pages in the past year shows 58+ million hits. This suggests that you have no idea what you're talking about. What a surprise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-51725954394744053672010-01-04T18:26:50.477+00:002010-01-04T18:26:50.477+00:00Anonymous said:
"And, no, the Catholic churc...Anonymous said:<br /><br />"And, no, the Catholic church didn't write the constitution. That is something you pulled out of your ass."<br /><br />I'm more concerned about what Catholic churchmen push into other people's asses...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-47275042132481511592010-01-04T18:24:19.455+00:002010-01-04T18:24:19.455+00:00Nordie Northsider said:
"it's about the ...Nordie Northsider said:<br /><br />"it's about the great crime of a Catholic/Protestant mixed marriage."<br /><br />HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa......<br /><br />The RC Church in Ireland was one of the main forces involved in reducing The Protestant numbers in The 26 Counties from 11% to 2% by insisting that all mixed marriages had to bring up the children RC. <br /><br />Take yourself off, you bigoted green slime...Not Nordie Northsidernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-39844297811709683162010-01-04T18:24:04.220+00:002010-01-04T18:24:04.220+00:00BTW The law against blasphemy is a misguided attem...BTW The law against blasphemy is a misguided attempt to be entirely even-handed to all religions. It will not survive. It is certainly nothing to do with "the dark ages of Christain age" --sic--(whatever that is supposed to be).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-26220287837685019622010-01-04T18:21:35.373+00:002010-01-04T18:21:35.373+00:00> I'm pretty sure ROI hasn't got a sepe...> I'm pretty sure ROI hasn't got a seperation of church and state. In fact, didn't the Catholic Church basically write the Irish constitution?<br /><br />Also the new Irish law against blasphemy belongs in dark ages of Christain Age. Hardly a great step towards enlightenment.<br /><br />The Irish state does indeed have a separation of church and state: the head of state is not the head of an established, state supported church. There are no bishops appointed to the legislature. While the population is predominantly Catholic the country has had Protestant heads of state, starting with the very first.<br /><br />Try to get your facts right.<br /><br />And, no, the Catholic church didn't write the constitution. That is something you pulled out of your ass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-77518483672401394232010-01-04T17:47:14.922+00:002010-01-04T17:47:14.922+00:00Democrats shouldn't be afraid to call the Oran...Democrats shouldn't be afraid to call the Orange Order precisely what it is: a Protestant supremicist group. I see many generous nationalists who feel that by going easy on the Order they are somehow extending a friendly hand towards Protestant culture in Ireland. And so the late Cardinal Ó Fiaich's party piece was 'The Auld Orange Flute' or else the Dublin government gives grant aid to various Orange-themed cultural projects. The impulse is a generous one, but trying to placate or flatter the loyal orders is a big mistake: their leaderships have long since conflated Irishness with Catholicism and make no secret of their hatred of both. The irony of a Catholic Primate of All-Ireland singing an Orange ballad is lost on them. Their loathing of 'rebels' and 'Fenians' poisons towns like Larne and Coleraine, makes possible attacks like those on Kevin McDaid or the unfortunate Quinn children in Ballymoney. 'The Auld Orange Flute' may seem to be a jocular folk song but look again: it's about the great crime of a Catholic/Protestant mixed marriage. 'One of our lads made a comment upon it / which caused them to move to the province of Connaught' goes the song. I wonder what the 'comment' was: a beating, a brick through the window, a death threat? Loyalist violence has always been expressed in such mealy-mouthed euphemisms - a get-out clause for the respectable leaders of the loyal orders.<br /><br />If we want to celebrate Protestant culture in Ireland (as we should) there are more noble and truly cultured figures than these. Sam Hannah-Bell, John Hewitt, Robert Lynd and many more. Not all of them can be claimed for Nationalism and some of them were as hostile to Rome as any Orangeman.Nordie Northsidernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-9366356003458378672010-01-04T15:54:36.903+00:002010-01-04T15:54:36.903+00:00"Sooner or later the UK will join the modern ..."Sooner or later the UK will join the modern world, in which the state and the church are separate."<br /><br />I'm pretty sure ROI hasn't got a seperation of church and state. In fact, didn't the Catholic Church basically write the Irish constitution?<br /><br />Also the new Irish law against blasphemy belongs in dark ages of Christain Age. Hardly a great step towards enlightenment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-77444212201801565642010-01-04T15:40:22.663+00:002010-01-04T15:40:22.663+00:00In response the first comment:
Your bigotry towar...In response the first comment:<br /><br />Your bigotry toward Catholocism avails you naught; it is the majority Christian religion, subscribed to by more than 1.2 billion people, including most of the people of Ireland. It is not some weird little cult, unlike, say, the Orange Order. It does not expel members for attending services of another denomination.<br /><br />Besides, if you read the post properly you'll find that the assessment of religious liberties comes, not from the South, but from an independent non-denominational organization based in the United States.<br /><br />Your sneer about the illegal actions of some individuals doesn't change the fact that British law is sectarian to this day -- and when the present Queen dies it will be changed. Prince Charles has no desire to be King of a sectarian state and I predict you will not change his mind about this. Later we'll see the exclusion of Protestant bishops from the House of Lords and the end of the prime minister appointing bishops.<br /><br />Sooner or later the UK will join the modern world, in which the state and the church are separate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-59171426180450821942010-01-04T14:11:40.012+00:002010-01-04T14:11:40.012+00:00A citizen of a nation known throughout the world f...A citizen of a nation known throughout the world for it's subscription to a bigoted bunch of mumbo jumbo beliefs and child rape feels free to criticise The UK for it's record of religious tolerance. Hmmmm...<br /><br />"Come into the confessional box little Shamus, this won't take long and your Mammy won't need to know..."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com