tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post713958137541386443..comments2023-10-19T22:49:15.517+01:00Comments on Ulster's Doomed!: Catholic Unionists?Horsemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16655806346968204169noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-62993720643652167732010-03-22T11:20:26.347+00:002010-03-22T11:20:26.347+00:00Here was me thinking that the real "deviants&...Here was me thinking that the real "deviants" in Northern Irish/6 county politics were the Alliance Party, which historically defected from the Ulster Unionist Party. Most parties including the Tories have their constitutional hands played. <br /><br />Is this the real party of Catholic unionists with a small u, and Protestant nationalists with a small n?<br /><br />Would that mean that UNCUF tackling the "sectarian and constitutional divide" by going after the votes of arguably the anti-sectarian party, rather than the rightwing of previous SDLP voters and Catholic non-voters?<br /><br />Admitidly this is all fairly reductionist.Kevin Breslinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-30316190817209752252009-10-17T16:38:58.627+00:002009-10-17T16:38:58.627+00:00You problem is you equate unionist with United Kin...You problem is you equate unionist with United Kingdom.<br /><br />There are plenty of Catholics who want the United kingdom to remain but will not vote for a unionist party because of the conotations of the word unionist.<br /><br />They will vote in a UK/UI referendum however.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-68012132157093520782009-09-17T20:19:18.334+00:002009-09-17T20:19:18.334+00:00Or at least keep them away from all Irish Priests....Or at least keep them away from all Irish Priests...MaleStrippernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-27313769482001065502009-09-17T19:27:10.864+00:002009-09-17T19:27:10.864+00:00Give children the franchise!!Give children the franchise!!picadornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-86634250194011830082009-09-16T10:46:51.505+00:002009-09-16T10:46:51.505+00:00Please remember that the voting age population of ...Please remember that the voting age population of Catholics tends to lag behind the total population.Pedronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-59689892056894659552009-09-16T08:35:31.978+00:002009-09-16T08:35:31.978+00:00On the 'Catholic unionists' in Banbridge, ...On the 'Catholic unionists' in Banbridge, <b>Anonymous</b>, the only explanation I have seen suggested is the "large Catholic police vote in Banbridge", referred to by Sammy Morse here (see the comments at the end): http://sammymorse.livejournal.com/20497.htmlHorsemannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-78479270391692223622009-09-16T02:29:19.829+00:002009-09-16T02:29:19.829+00:00there defintly seems to be catholic unionists in b...there defintly seems to be catholic unionists in banbridge as the nationalist vote is far below what would be expected even with a low nationalist turn out. more indepth anylises on banbridge would be much aprecheatedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-26012424842676456652009-09-15T23:11:14.155+00:002009-09-15T23:11:14.155+00:00britain by an act of parliament, irish by an act o...britain by an act of parliament, irish by an act of god, BY THE WAY PRINCESS YOU WOULDN'T CALL ME A RETARD TO MY FACE AND U NO IT U NO IT U NO IT U NO IT U NO IT U NO IT U NO ITpagasphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15438803267359231088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-71929284185375279332009-09-15T23:07:34.824+00:002009-09-15T23:07:34.824+00:00resist evil you can't be serious manresist evil you can't be serious manpagasphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15438803267359231088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-78512364580830981712009-09-15T19:58:20.521+00:002009-09-15T19:58:20.521+00:00British Ulster? Never heard of it!British Ulster? Never heard of it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-64155162980176847292009-09-15T18:18:25.480+00:002009-09-15T18:18:25.480+00:00Dream on sucker. What's it like to live your l...Dream on sucker. What's it like to live your life in a state you owe no loyalty to? Always hoping and praying that one day your ship will come in? But the problem is, it never does. Days turn into years and then into decades. Pretty soon British Ulster will be celebrating it's 100th anniversary and fools like you will still be believing the shit thrown your way by people like Gerry Adams. Gerry Adams who hardly served a day in prison (at least not as a convicted prisoner), who claims to never have been in The IRA (why? Was he a coward?), who sent six hunger strikers to their deaths needlessly in order to boost SF at the polls (and by default his position) and who now lives the life of an international celebrity author, complete with cottage in Donegal. One in three senior Republicans were touts or British Agents. PIRA were got of the ground to help FF in The Republic, who feared a socialist revolution and needed a diversion elsewhere for Republicans. I could go on and on, but I suspect I'll be wasting my breath. <br /><br />Enjoy your day dreams, but British Ulster is going nowhere, not today, not tomorrow, not ever. We British are no better than anyone else, but the one thing we do know how to do is to resist evil, as Hitler, Stalin, Al Queada and Irish Nationalism have all found out one way or the other.Watchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-1368301563512086342009-09-15T15:55:02.074+00:002009-09-15T15:55:02.074+00:00Firstly that is a disgusting abuse and you should ...Firstly that is a disgusting abuse and you should be ashamed, but I doubt it.<br /><br />Have you not considered that perhaps, just perhaps, you are being told what you want to hear and the person who is being fed rubbish is you rather than others? <br /><br />As for polls I would suppose that the one being referred to is the Life and Times polls which are noorious in the inaccuracy, there was one were they had SF way down the polls and in the election that year they romped home.<br /><br />Only one poll that matters. It is held with regularity, that is the one to pay heed to.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00520482177649645388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-50535294323714043592009-09-15T14:56:36.713+00:002009-09-15T14:56:36.713+00:00pagasp said:
"i live in derry where its seen...pagasp said:<br /><br />"i live in derry where its seen as having a relatively moderate yet overwhelmingly catholic majority, sdlp voters and so on, yet iv never met a single person there who would even dream of not voting 4 a united ireland, "<br /><br />Perhaps they don't tell YOU the truth retard. Perhaps they're worried about what some Republican animals will do to them if it's found out they're a unionist (even with a small 'u')...Watchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-58850301120471842042009-09-15T13:49:36.065+00:002009-09-15T13:49:36.065+00:00i live in derry where its seen as having a relativ...i live in derry where its seen as having a relatively moderate yet overwhelmingly catholic majority, sdlp voters and so on, yet iv never met a single person there who would even dream of not voting 4 a united ireland, theres probably the odd catholic or protestant who'd vote 4 the otherside, but i reckon this would be irrelevant in the overall outcome. as 4 ppl pointing to opinion polls, these wud be out the window with a catholic majority border poll on the horizon ps. lets see the links to these polls. HEAR THAT MR UNIONIST THAT IS THE SOUND OF INEVITABILITY THAT IS THE SOUND OF UR DEATHpagasphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15438803267359231088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-2968281962634179252009-09-15T09:30:04.719+00:002009-09-15T09:30:04.719+00:00Re Billy Leonard's election chances, I'm a...Re Billy Leonard's election chances, I'm afraid to say, as someone who knows Coleraine well, that some Catholics won't vote for him precisely because he's a Protestant. But who knows what might happen in the next Assembly election? Billy impressed many people with the calmness and dignity of his reaction to the McDaid lynching. And Coleraine and its hinterlands are indeed changing. That is in no small part the cause of the violence there.Nordie Northsidernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-82373655883384054582009-09-15T08:35:59.192+00:002009-09-15T08:35:59.192+00:00Anonymous,
Banbridge also has some peculiarities....<b>Anonymous</b>,<br /><br />Banbridge also has some peculiarities. It was, apparently, the favourite place of residence of Catholic RUC (and now PSNI?) members, who presumably did not vote for nationalist parties.Horsemannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-60583868375484255452009-09-15T08:33:49.364+00:002009-09-15T08:33:49.364+00:00Justin,
Thanks for the clarification regarding Do...<b>Justin</b>,<br /><br />Thanks for the clarification regarding Donovan McClelland. I don't know the man so I'll take your word - however, his Wikipedia page describes him as a Protestant.Horsemannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-12020365258678423172009-09-15T01:23:12.476+00:002009-09-15T01:23:12.476+00:00Horseman
Yes - some of them would go to Mass. Bu...Horseman<br /><br />Yes - some of them would go to Mass. But as I say they are mostly criminals and they use the UDA for cover.<br /><br />Most of them come from established Larne families and have all the connections that go with that. Larne is a place apart.<br /><br />As for Banbridge not reflecting the numbers in expected voting pattern. Look at the east antrim area. I was looking at the new super council in order to guesstimate the numbers of nationalist seats in the new proposed Mid Antrim Counsil. There are no nationalist councillors in Carrick, two in larne and three in Ballymena if I recall correctly. Now the Catholic population of the area is roughly 20%. Why not more councillors. The people do not bother coming out to vote as they know it makes little difference in an overwhelmingly unionist area.<br /><br />Ask any nationalist councillor about how hard it is to get nationalists out in these areas.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00520482177649645388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-87374486920397615272009-09-15T00:08:51.305+00:002009-09-15T00:08:51.305+00:00there seems to be evidence for cathic unionism in ...there seems to be evidence for cathic unionism in banbridge as the nationalist vote is below were u would expectAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-60439168616833324142009-09-14T22:46:04.966+00:002009-09-14T22:46:04.966+00:00Another Correction: D McClelland is a catholic. (I...Another Correction: D McClelland is a catholic. (I've known him a long time)Justinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-69105530043028577282009-09-14T19:16:22.803+00:002009-09-14T19:16:22.803+00:00Horseman,
Dallat is a pretty solid performer for ...Horseman,<br /><br />Dallat is a pretty solid performer for the Stoops in that constituency. Recent events in Coleraine may have hardened attitudes though. Did you do a constituency profile if East Derry?picadornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-13972005333304353782009-09-14T18:32:18.380+00:002009-09-14T18:32:18.380+00:00picador,
To be honest, no. Billy Leonard will onl...<b>picador</b>,<br /><br />To be honest, no. Billy Leonard will only get elected if the SDLP vote evaporates, or if there are wierd STV permutations involving non-transferrable votes (TUV anyone?). Or if Francis Brolly steps down.Horsemannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-53314772846226641452009-09-14T18:27:22.124+00:002009-09-14T18:27:22.124+00:00Antrim,
I wouldn't like you to name names (fe...<b>Antrim</b>,<br /><br />I wouldn't like you to name names (felon-setting, and all that), but are they people who could be recognised as Catholic by name, place of residence, or schooling? <br /><br />Or could you say that some Catholics in Larne are being assimilated into the loyalist community?Horsemannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-27184851729155360432009-09-14T18:26:36.357+00:002009-09-14T18:26:36.357+00:00Horseman,
I seem to remember Eddie Espie writing ...Horseman,<br /><br />I seem to remember Eddie Espie writing a resignation letter to the Irish News in which he slagged off the SDLP leadership. that would have been a couple of years back. I'm not sure what he's up to now.<br /><br />Do you reckon Billy Leonard will get in at the next Assembly election?picadornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1062377461026943825.post-52884011850908114882009-09-14T18:06:42.766+00:002009-09-14T18:06:42.766+00:00I can name you at least half a dozen in larneI can name you at least half a dozen in larneUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00520482177649645388noreply@blogger.com